1080p on such a small screen is pointless, but if you’re into that by the price of one Nintendo game you can upgrade your steam deck screen https://www.deckhd.com/
120Hz is not that different from the decks 90Hz screen, although if you chose to do the upgrade above that downgrades you to 60.
Mouse mode, not sure what that is, but the deck has the best of it’s kind mouse emulation so I think it will be hard for the switch to compete.
Plus I get to keep my games, and whenever the SD2 comes out I’ll get to keep my games and not have to buy them again.
Plus, with the Steamdeck you have more games to play than just Nintendo games or old games you played years ago but have to pay more to play them again on worse hardware.
This is probably the only time Nintendo has come out of the gate with superior hardware and I actually don’t give a shit, why on earth would I want to buy a steam deck that is locked behind corporate control and price gouging?
I don’t give a shit how fast the scrreen refreshes or how fancy some of the features, I want a computer that can play games, I don’t want a toy that is purposefully broken so I can’t use it for things I want to use it for, ESPECIALLY if I drop hundreds and hundreds of dollars on it.
Nope.
I understand why you think this, but its kind of wrong. Because Nintendo has had the upper hand with hardware many times.
- SNES was arguably better than Genesis system
- N64 has much more raw power than my favorite system the PS1
- GameCube was stronger than PS2 and Dreamcast
And yes, I’ll just wait and use my steam deck until SD2, because I also just want a computer that I can play games on.
SNES was arguably better than Genesis system
The SNES and Genesis were comparable. You could argue one or the other, but it was a tighter race than the Playstation 3 curb-stomping the Wii.
N64 has much more raw power than my favorite system the PS1
Playstation had CD-ROM, and that’s all that needs to be said about that battle.
GameCube was stronger than PS2 and Dreamcast
Comparing the GameCube with the PS2, it had less VRAM, less RAM, a faster CPU, roughly equiv video processor. I would say they were about equal, and that’s with GameCube coming out two years later.
The PS2 was also the strongest console to ever fight in any sort of console war, with its ridiculously large library of games. PS2 punished Sega so hard they permanent removed themselves out of the race, and Nintendo had to completely change strategies to fill a different niche and audience, which worked with the Wii. However, that came with the dumbing down of hardware that everybody is talking about. They have been pushing shitty outdated hardware ever since.
I stand corrected, I guess I was comparing the gamecube to an xbox, but yeah agreed, I just bought a second steam deck OLED when I already had the LCD model because honestly I think the economy is going to crash hard and it is going to be a long road to affordably getting a gaming device in the US for the foreseeable future.
It is a shitty situation to be in, but I didn’t even hesitate because the current calculus is a no brainer. I have Blender on my Steam Deck and I am using it to create cool visualizations of Lidar data for Geology, Nintendo would respond to a statement like this with something like “yeah, that is cool but it sounds very niche, people don’t need that” and my response is “Fuck you, you haven’t even let people try”.
I heard of another Geologist bringing in their steam deck to present a talk off of it instead of a laptop too, these kinds of interesting unusual use cases aren’t trivial and hyper individual, they represent people developing the future of handheld computers in real time, and Nintendo has completely lost the plot here. The Steam Deck really isn’t a gaming device, it is a gaming device that Trojan Horses you into having an awesome handheld linux computer that can also play your favorite games.
If Nintendo thinks they can compete with the Steam Deck by just selling a better handheld gaming console, they are so fucked… or at the very least they are walking away from what will actually be the next big growth area in computers (that people were SURE AI and VR would be).
Nintendo execs are likely sitting there being like “damn we are going to make so much money selling the best handheld gaming console and completely dominate the handheld gaming console market so we can charge $100 a game” while missing the MUCH LARGER profit opportunity of evolving their handheld console into a handheld computer.
Think about it, Nintendo is in the perfect position to evolve their Switch into more and more of a computer, and it would give them a MASSIVE new horizon of growth opportunities especially since countless kids grow up playing on Switches and already know how to use them inside out… it would help Nintendo protect itself from encroachment by other big tech, and do any number of other longterm things for Nintendo’s growth and profit.
Instead the idiots want to gouge people for more money by squeezing ONLY the gaming potential out of the switch, it is pathetic and I wish legislation around the world didn’t allow massive corporations to behave this foolishly in trying to close down their systems so they don’t accidentally create the “wrong” kind of value or innovation.
This is exactly why I purchased a steam deck. My gaming PC died (RIP to a real one), and I needed something for general use more than I did for gaming.
I need to check the price of broken steam decks, there are so many fun project’s I could do if I had the motherboard or daughter boards in the steam deck, and no I need my current steam deck intact to play on
Ah yes, console released over 30 years ago.
why on earth would I want to buy a steam deck that is locked behind corporate control
from context I think you wanted to write nintendo
Yeah, I was trying to say the switch can be thought of as a steam deck that is locked behind corporate control.
oh! I understand it now, sorry
“Mouse mode”
Yeah, the Steam Deck has that. Its called dual touchpads, and unlike the Switch 2 you can easily switch from analog stick to touchpad (they also have more functionality and are actually utilized to their full potential with desktop mode).
PCs literally had “mouse mode” gaming since the 80s. The Amiga/ATARI ST already had them, too.
Consoles have been behind the times for decades.
Nintendo games never come down in price either.
BotW is still going for what it did on day one. Even second hand copies go for nearly that.
Although it does mean you can basically rent them for as long as you want for a few dollars if you sell it again afterwards…
I laughed when they showed their game chat mode as some accomplishment. They spent years just making discord…
Another funny moment was when the Civ VII dude said something like “if you already have Civ VII you will be able to play the enhanced switch 2 mode!.. After purchasing the upgrade.”
They’re so unapologetically greedy.
Yeah. Even bethesda just gave you the enchanced skyrim edition for free…
Soon as I heard about the price of games I was out
We have a switch 1 and the game price has been the driving factor preventing us from investing more in the platform. The games are too expensive, go on sale too infrequently and not for low enough prices. Just not the ecosystem for my family right now
Yeah, I have a Switch too but it’s not been turned on in maybe two years, getting a Steam Deck basically retired it
The display supports 1080p+120hz, games running at that res and fps will be rare I imagine. I mean, it would be amazing but Xbox also supports 4k 120 and it usually runs Up to 1440p upscaled 30fps so idk how much it will really differ from what we’ve already got.
I’m skeptical about 4 hour Elden Ring session.
I have a Steam Deck definitely felt no need to get either the Switch 1 or 2.
I dunno what y’all are talking about, the Deck chip (Van Gogh, 7nm, Zen 2 but with Rembrandt-era SoC features, RDNA2) is “newer” than the Ampere chip (circa 2020) in the Switch 2.
I’m done giving money to Nintendo. Their litigious behavior is inexcusable. Just ask the parrot on my shoulder. He’s on the same side as my eye patch.
Switch l2
That made me laugh way to hard.
I think Cisco is working to remove the points about uptime and not having lags/crashes
That’s why you don’t buy Cisco
(For anyone who wasn’t alive in the late 90’s or 00’s this is a rapper named Sisqó, famous for his highly intellectual song called “Thong Song”)
We are currently moving away from cisco because they want 12k+ for a new switch. Juniper or HP for us i think.
Why’d you ommit the price of the layer 2 switch? curious
If we’re talking home use, you can buy enterprise switches for less than $100 on the secondary market. I got a 1GB PoE 24 port managed switch for $35.
I believe I found the switch but can’t find the price - IXR-G24044X-24PH
All this has done is make me want a steam deck even harder.
I have a steam deck oled and love it, but the SOC is slightly old now and was never the fastest. If you’re playing slightly older games or are fine with slightly lower settings, than it’s still great.
SteamOS is great, but I think you can install it on other handhelds as well. It sounds like current competition isn’t great unless you’re willing to pay a bit more and the steam deck 2 isn’t rumored to come out soon, so the steam deck is probably still worth purchasing tho.
Honestly who cares about the power of hardware on a handheld, sadly this is something Ninendo used to understand better than anyone else.
Focus on making the games fun and the hardware capable enough, don’t get lost in the hype of trying to out hardware competitors and pull in customers that way.
Well, they have clearly abandoned that strategy, but I think this was the worst possible situation to do this in because they are going to continue to get destabilized by the Steam Deck just being a Switch that doesn’t try to obsessively control everything you can do on it. It is a waste of money to buy such a closed down device, even if it is more powerful than a Steam Deck.
How powerful is it? Just based on the graphics of what I’d seen I assumed it was around the same.
Anyways, I think the switch can get away with worse hardware as every game is specifically optimized for that exact soc, while the steam deck has to play games optimised for a PS5 or a midrange gaming PC for example.
Yeah, but the Steam Deck also can run indie games, it can run open source games like Beyond All Reason, Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead and Xonotic, it can run Steel Panthers Winspww2 which is an absolutely horrendously old DOS game.
Why do I care if it can’t run the newest AAA game? I know some people do, but to me I already have such a large pc library (of paid and opensource & free games) that the concept of the Steam Deck getting “left behind” by having too outdated hardware doesn’t make sense to me.
Ok, so it has a hard ceiling of the games it can play, new games will continue to come out both above and below that ceiling, and I will continue not to really care about AAA games that don’t bother to optimize well for lower end devices.
At the end of the day, the Steam Deck is a linux computer handheld, there are already people gaming on and using potato-ass linux computers to do useful things that are WAYYYYY shittier than the Steam Deck is, and they are happy. I don’t see myself becoming unhappy with the hardware on the Steam Deck anytime soon.
Years and years? Idk
lol, I switched to a steam deck from using a linux-ified chromebook for travel gaming so I see what you mean
I love it.
I saw Elden Ring worked for Steam Deck, and I either had to buy a new graphics card or get the Deck, and I chose wisely.
Steam deck is also backwards compatible with nearly all of Nintendo.
Something tells me that the Deck will be compatible with “way more” than old games in the near future… Some times an emulator goes down, and two or more rise up.
We’re lucky Valve has fuck you money for when Nintendo inevitably come after them
Comes after them for what? Selling small computers?
yeah, or infringing on their “patents” lmfao
Remember they got a patent for catching monsters using balls just to start a lawsuit against Palworld, and if my memory doesn’t fail me, they tried to patent some stupidly base mechanic in Zelda TotK (like using local coordinates for constructs).
I’m not sure they wouldn’t try to get a patent for the concept of “handheld gaming console” because they came up with the Game Boy.
I don’t see how Nintendo could go after valve. Valve doesn’t make or distribute the emulator, or the ROMs.
I agree. They could go after windows at that point.
Yeah, Nintendo is smoking unfiltered crack, lol. Who the hell has $80-90 to throw at every game in the midst of an unnecessary economic downturn and possible worldwide meltdown?
Oh no, just a USA meltdown. Trump isn’t great for other economies, but we still have the rest of the world to trade with. The only thing he is achieving is making the usa less relevant by the day.
Stocks are down all over the globe, not sure if you noticed.
It will still cause other countries economies to shrink, as most economies are interlinked in the modern age; but even with the loss in GDP, removing US trade/tech/military reliance is definitely for the better imo. The USA positioning themselves alongside Russia has woke up the rest of the world to the fact that America isn’t simply arrogant… It’s also dangerous.
I don’t see a way back for the US in all honesty. The problem isn’t the rogue state behaviour, it’s the virile support for such actions seen from many of their citizens. In the coming years we’ll no doubt see American military bases being shutdown across the globe, in retaliation to their animosity, and it will only continue further until the US is a pariah state.
I suppose it’s some solace that the democrats are able to somewhat slow the implosion of the US through the senate, but that won’t be enough to stop them falling out of favour with the rest of the world, and thus losing a huge part of their power. And I have to wonder, is this the exact outcome Putin wanted (America surviving, but struggling… Allowing them to exist as the bad guy, Rather than complete desolation), or just a happy accident after getting Krasnov elected?.
It’s because a significant portion of our population are complete dumbasses.
One third of the country are bigots believing every piece of propaganda.
One third of our country doesn’t think politics affects them.
10-15% (ballparking) have good political intentions, but don’t think voting will solve anything.
That leaves about 20-25% to actually contribute politically with critical thinking skills and understanding various social issues.
Yeah we’re fucked.
Based on some economic models I’ve read about, the only countries whose GDP will be hurt by this are America, Canada and Mexico. In that order.
Most of the world is expected to break even or benefit because countries will act in their best interest and route around Trump’s stupid.
I can’t speak for every country, but I know that the UK (where I’m based) is looking at a GDP shrink of around 1%; though given our ‘special relationship’ with the US, and our FAFO era with Brexit, we’re probably more dependant on American trade than your average long distance ally (or should I say former ally?), so I could definitely see other countries breaking even or even profiting from it.
I can’t speak definitively but it will probably hurt Australia to some extent. At least if they don’t want to get dragged into one of our really stupid wars that we undoubtedly have coming.
Not to mention, Nintendo games usually don’t go down in price over time as much.
As much? I don’t think ever. Breath of the Wild is still it’s release price despite it’s sequel, in the same world but with more content, being out and the same price. They’re insane.
And Pokemon games only increase in price over time.
In the Switch era, they don’t at all. Nintendo Selects isn’t a thing any more.
Yeah, the company has gone full greed mode since Iwata’s passing. I know the point of a business is to make money and all that but he at least kept things fair for the consumer.
This kinda feels like Sony’s PS3 announcement, but Nintendo can get away with more than Sony could then.
Hopefully this system isn’t the smashing success that the first Switch was and it humbles them a bit. Beyond the price gouging, the novelty of the concept has worn some and this system really doesn’t do anything all that exciting beyond improved visuals (which doesn’t excite me as somebody who already has a good PC).
I’m a really huge Nintendo fan who has owned every one of their systems besides the Virtual Boy and bought most of those at launch. I was almost certainly going to purchase a Switch 2 as soon as I could… yet yesterday’s lackluster software reveals followed up by the outrageous pricing has me saying the scalpers can have this one and Nintendo can go to hell.
It’s likely that you’re right and people are going to line up to reward them for this and it will lead to price increases across the entire industry unfortunately.
I even had a Virtual Boy! Although I bought it for like $25 after it had already failed.
I guess we’ll see just how much of Nintendo’s market is made up of fans with lots of expendable income vs. parents buying stuff for their kids.
Yeah, I think that’s another huge factor that made the Switch so successful! It was priced at a point that households had multiple units and multiple copies of games like Kart and Smash. Only people doing really well are going to be able to swing that at these prices.
How does one filter crack? I need to know for my pulmonary health.
They sell brillo used by crackheads as filters right next to the crack pipes at gas stations in the hood.
Gotta burn it before inhaleing to test it. Some of that shit is fake and just some steel wool with a coating. Remember to be safe while smoking crack!
I could be wrong, but doesn’t the process of cooking the cocaine into crack kind of “filter” it so to speak?
Not in the slightest. It only cuts it so you can increase your yield at the cost of needing to sell a fundamentally different product.
I’ve never been good at chemistry, so I’m probably misremembering…
My understanding was that the cocaine’s chemical structure is what reacts with the baking soda (and heat), leaving the adulterants to burn off. I guess unless they share the same property that binds the cocaine with the baking soda. The baking soda isn’t meant to increase weight, there is an actual chemistry-based reason that it’s used.
It’s why people stopped “free-basing” cocaine once crack came around. “Free-base” is a chemistry term, and the reaction with the baking soda is what makes it no longer “free-base.”
It weighs more because of the baking soda, but that’s just like a substrate to deliver the cocaine, not an adulterant meant to make it weigh more.
Again, could be wrong and don’t feel like looking it up because I don’t really care about crack or cocaine
I think the filter is to stop shards of burning crack from going into your mouth/throat.
Cooking usually refers to removing salts necessary for mucous absorption to make smoked crack more palatable and injected crack not lethal. I haven’t done crack yet.
I get your point, but I’ll probably end up paying that. The exclusives are pricey but I almost always end up playing them for 50-100+ hours each, so I can’t really complain 🤷♂️
This line of thinking is why we are being price gouged to begin with.
“it’s $20 for a skin… Eh I’ll buy it.” I have friends that do that. Meanwhile I almost never buy a game at launch because I’ll just wait for a sale and for the game to be fixed post launch.
The trouble is, Nintendo games don’t even go on sale, so you can’t do that. Nintendo used to be the affordable accessible console. Now they’re the opposite.
I haven’t had a desire to play their games luckily, but the emulators are good. I tried Pokémon Arceus with one and it ran flawlessly. The game was boring as hell from what I played, but I wanted to see how it functioned compared to the older games I know.
Yeah. I was providing context and a small joke in relation to the comment about how we got here. I mostly play Steam games anyway.
A few years ago my wife bought a switch, we occasionally play it, but yes I saw the games were basically never on sale.
You do realize that video game prices haven’t increased with inflation in years, right? A $60 game in 2008 would be $88 today just from inflation. This isn’t price gouging, it’s inflation correction.
It doesn’t matter if a $60 game in 2008 is worth $88 now if wages haven’t gone up to match that. Did you know that (at least in the US) food prices usually aren’t included in inflation calculations because they fluctuate too much? People have other things to pay for with their wages that aren’t video games, and those costs aren’t going down either.
Literally nothing ever has stayed in lockstep with wages, that’s not even relevant to the discussion at hand. Not sure why you think video games would be special, especially video games by Nintendo, solijce they’re literally the last ones on the “raise video game prices” train.
Entertainment is not a necessity, it’s not like people need it to survive. When it doesn’t move with wages people find ways to make it affordable (e.g. piracy, 2nd hand markets, or sharing physical copies with friends), or they find something else (steam, indie games, etc.). Wages are directly responsible for game prices in a lot of ways, and there are pretty good Steam statistics on this as well (which is why a lot of Steam games aren’t priced with 1:1 conversions in different regions, because doing so would basically price entire regions out of buying games).
Pricing fans out of games is exactly how AAA studios go under. A big AAA game flopping is basically a death sentence for a studio in the current landscape, and if Microsoft isn’t immune to that then Nintendo definitely isn’t.
And in addition to what Zangoose said, your argument ignores the basic principle of technological progress: as industries mature, costs typically decrease, not increase. Economies of scale, automation, and digital distribution should all lower the cost of making and selling a game over time.
A $60 game in 2008 had to be printed on physical discs, boxed, shipped to stores, and supported with traditional advertising. Today, most games are sold digitally, cutting out huge portions of that overhead. Studios also reuse engines, assets, and development pipelines now more than ever.
Sure, inflation is real—but so are productivity gains. If your costs are going up despite all these efficiencies, that’s not just inflation—it’s mismanagement or greed. Consumers don’t owe companies an inflation-adjusted price just because they want to maintain record-breaking profits and raise prices.
Uh, video games have VERY famously not been decreasing in cost to create- AAA games cost VASTLY more to create now than in 2008. The teams are much, much larger, for one.
It’s a trend I personally think is stupid and unnecessary, but productivity gains aren’t really happening that way in game dev.
CEO pay has also increased VASTLY, something isn’t quite adding up here. 🤔
Yeah, sales have also gone way up.
At this point in the world I just want to reward one of the few companies that has yet to screw me over. Everything I’ve ever bought from Nintendo still works to this day, and I’m generally expecting it to work forever. No one else is making products like that, it’s all short-term shareholder profits-- who cares about the customer? If you want to pay what garbage is priced at, you’ll get garbage in the end.
Imagine simping for a soulless corporation who doesn’t give of fuck if you exist. How is anything nintendo doing consumer friendly? You’re definitely on that copium, champ.
I’m just speaking from personal experience, friend. I understand someone will probably have a list of like 10 links of counterexamples handy but I can say with fair confidence they probably haven’t affected me. Hell, my original joycons actually still work, though I did buy my Switch a couple years after release. And I’m not simping for anything, I will 100% change my stance the day Nintendo starts screwing me over 🤷♂️
Worldwide? Trump is ruining the US economy only
So fun fact the world’s economies are interlinked and most countries have a ton of money in US banks and stocks.
Remember 2008/2009 recession? This was cause by the USA economy, but affected the entire world.
Oh, my sweet summer child…
Lol another person that thinks he’s smart by being rude. No wonder Lemmy isn’t attracting more people
I’m just pointing out your naïveté. What happens in the US naturally affects the rest of the world. We’re all dependent on each other. No one will be isolated from this.
Like the recession of 2008/2009. It was America that cause it and the whole worked suffered.
Leave Lemmy out of this! It’s innocent!
Point at the doll where you were touched by Lemmy
As others pointed out, it’s not only the US economy that will be hit, but also everyone that trades with them.
To illustrate some examples, Canadian aluminum might end up with 25% tariffs. That means anything made within the USA that uses said aluminum will get a price increase. Canadian companies might end up with a surplus, since their main customers won’t be buying as much (instead of paying 100 dollars for a tonne, 'mericans will pay 125 dollars per tonne). That surplus will drive prices down if they can’t find someone else to buy the aluminum.
Since the tariffs aren’t only on Canadian aluminum, but a lot of stuff from a lot of countries, some of that stuff will end up with a significant surplus and no new buyers. For smaller countries that rely on USA exports, that’s going to hurt a lot.
I also saw one analysis that suggested the increased cost of buying could decrease trade and therefore shrink the economies the US usually buys from, depressing the shrunken economies dollar values and effectively cancelling out the cost of the tarrif
Even if you think it’s not worldwide, you do realise some countries and regions rely heavily upon trading with the US. And it will cause inflation, though how much depends on what will actually happen now.
ROFL you really have no idea how things work huh
The world economy is dependent on countries like the USA.
Lol
