• Shyfer@ttrpg.network
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    9 months ago

    That’s what defund the police is about. It’s about shifting the funding to other sources, social workers and such, that can handle calls like these. It relieves police of having to deal with stuff like this, too.

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      Defund was a horrible fucking name for the movement though. We’d need the conservatives to be on board and they’re not going for that shit cause they’ll stop listening as soon as they think you’re taking power away from their tastiest boots.

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          Or shunting off good candidates. Bernie has been talking truth for fucking 50 years but no nomination. There’s no central talking head, no real stated goal…

          I vote blue but fuck me they suck at rallying voters to a cause

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          True, but not so much in this case. It was BLM, not the Democrats, and most Democrats rejected it. Biden even increased police funding in response.

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            I think most of this was because of the successful propaganda campaign that made every BLM protest sound like a riot when it was some tiny percentage in truth

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        Even I agree with that. And I was one of those annoying guys screaming ACAB and shit. I really wish that didn’t end up becoming the main slogan, because I really agree with the idea behind it. It’s like if pro-choice people were framing their own position as pro-killing babies on their signs and stuff.

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          Honestly ACAB is another badly defined slogan.

          The idea was that if only 10% of cops are actually “bad” and will hurt you, if the other 90% aren’t reporting them and holding them accountable, you cant trust that ANY cop is part of that 90% because choosing wrong can end your life.

          But then again you can’t explain all of that in one word lol

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            That’s not entirely true. Police departments demand conformity, following orders, and keeping a code of silence. Officers who tried to speak out about it in the past have been killed. While that’s the extreme end of things, it doesn’t take long to realize that being a good person and being a cop are mutually exclusive. Some departments make sure you receive morally dubious assignments during your year long probation. Assignments like arresting homeless people and destroying all of their possessions. Can you destroy someone’s life like that? If not then they flush you out and complain about an officer shortage for more money. That’s what ACAB is about. The guys who stood there and watched George Floyd get murdered are only the tip of the problem. The underwater iceberg is absolute lack of morality they show when interacting with the public.

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        Optics and phrasing matter. For as much criticism as Democrats get about being inept at it, ACAB and Defund show that the critics aren’t a whole lot better.

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          Arguably, the way people perceive your project is more important than what it actually does. Probably a combination of both dems being shit at optics and repugs having the most well oiled propaganda machine in the world, cause it keeps fucking happening.

          Planned parenthood

          BLM

          ACAB

          defund the police

          Communist/socialist policies

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            The left in general just seems terrible at this. I suspect it’s because we hold ourselves to morals.

            I will say that Buttagieg had the perfect rebuttal to being called socialist – “they’re going to call us socialist anyway, that shouldn’t stop us from making socialist policies”, paraphrasing.