Toxic positivity in action
It was toxic internet point grabbing in action - https://indianstartupnews.com/news/yes-madam-clarifies-on-firing-over-100-employees-for-being-stressed-says-no-one-was-fired-it-was-an-awareness-initiative-8416411
Their explanation sounds like ad hoc BS.
Yeah, but the original message sounded even more like BS. Like surely no one would think its a good idea to post on social media that you are firing your stressed employees to make a ‘supportive’ workplace. That makes no sense. So yeah, the explanation is bad - but I don’t think its untrue. It’s just that the original post was a bad idea.
It’s it actually toxic if you really do benefit from it?
I fail to see how getting fired because you said your work environment was stressful is a benefit. Losing your income is a significant stressor.
Or even not getting fired, but seeing your coworkers being fired for that. Sure whole departments are going to be stressed now.
Yes, because humans are messy.
You don’t benefit from it. Having been in a place where positivity is a focus, it’s just ignoring any problems or criticism that can’t be addressed with a work harder attitude. It forces out anyone not drinking the Kool aid, and those tend to be better employees.
The stressed employees were almost certainly the high performers lmao
And when output and production drop 35% next quarter, you can be damn sure they’ll whip out the “We’re a family here!!!” talk as they announce even more layoffs to pad the bottom line.
Whenever you are having a bad day just remember you had like 1/4 chance of spawning in India
There are ten livestock animals in captivity for every one human. You’re still lucky to be born a human anywhere on earth, because we are the monsters.
Why is India that way?
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So everything. You could have just said everything.
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That’s a lot of text to not mention that the main issue is British Imperialism. The UK was only interested in resource extraction from India, meaning minimal investment was made into the area for centuries.
Good Tl,DR
You are a person in the american midwest (by your instance) telling an indian person why india is the way it is
And o have studied history and literally half my family is from England. This guy is not an Indian, he is a former Muslim looking to bash Hindus.
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I remember it, and then I remember I’m in that 1/4th
I have spawned in a very similar place soo. Eeh
I’m from Pakistan, which should be even more similar to India than Turkey is.
oh hi 😞
Well, that is going to backfire because they just made all new stress for the current employees
Yeah, they did, but the remaining employees won’t dare complain about it so management sees this as a twofer win.
And have learned that lying is the best policy
Beatings will continue until morale improves.
“The beatings will continue until morale improves.”
“Beatings didn’t work. Let’s try hunger and homelessness”
Don’t ever engage with culture sensing surveys honestly. The only place they weren’t a trap (ironically) was the US Army where they did it on paper, punished people for putting their names on them, and walked right past your entire immediate chain of command to their bosses with the results. And the one time things were truly bad they literally brought in a Sociology expert to study our unit and figure out how things had gone bad, it resulted in all new leadership and team building exercises, in a war zone. (These results do not extend to other branches, I had one done by the Navy and it was corpo trap bullshit, got a lot of the Army guys there by surprise.)
Or engage with them but expect the repercussions.
I’m very candid when this shit comes around my corp and am extremely nuanced in explaining the culture challenges.
The trick is to not explicitly call anyone out and highlight it’s a systemic problem.
That’s a very fine line though. and you’re hoping they don’t fire you just for being the bent nail.
Oh I agree but thing is it’s principles for me. I spoke to a coworker recently about this in relation to a bad worker and if they should go to HR. My argument is I can’t rely on other people to speak about the challenges so it’s beholden on me to do that for those that may not want to take that risk.
It’s only a job. I make damn good money but if I got let go because of my principles that’s a good reason.
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The last time I went to HR on toxic leadership it was very well known. I told them I’m the ideal employee. I’ve been here (at the time 10 years) rarely make a fuss. Never been to HR before. I had a well thought out letter explaining the challenges I was seeing and how toxic it was and how it was impacting myself and my coworkers.
They asked for names. I gave none. I told them they have the names (I had good info these people were well known). I explained that people are leaving the org, good people are not coming here. They need to address it. About 1+ year later there was a huge clearout of leadership then another a couple of years later. People who were well identified as toxic.
I like to think my speaking up helped with that, and I’m still here. More people need to stand on their principles damn the consequences.
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In our corp, our managers get the answers and results without the names of employees that gave the answers. Did not see anyone regretting being honest on the survey yet.
I am wondering more and more if it is the corp I work for that is unusual, if it is because it is in the EU, not US (even though corp is US based), or if just the people with worst experiences are the most keen to share them…
There probably is a confirmation bias at work here. People with healthy workplaces are probably less likely to complain online?
Same that they anonymized the data but c’mon I know people writing style I could tell which coworker wrote what if they narrow it down enough like by department.
Yes and no. The survey is always scoring something 1-10 and then a text field on explanation/how to improve it. If you are too worried, you can just give the score. Even so, most people just fill them in normally and as I said, I did not see anyone regret being honest. But that is indeed likely partially because we are not in the US.
Lesson I learned the hard way: if any study comes around on your satisfaction, don’t answer it. If management comes asking why you haven’t answered the study, apologize, you’ve been swamped, you’ll get get right on it, and you lie your ass off.
I have always engaged with every one of them and have been negative quite often yet never anything bad came of it. Probably because we have employee rights where I live. So the actual problem is americas lacks of rights.
I worked for a youuuuuuge international corporation that did a survey in the late 1990s.
They took them extremely seriously and trained and replaced the poor performing leadership.
It led to a big jump in profits.
I’m glad someone is using it correctly then.
Imagine firing all competent employees
The stoner dudes high as balls 247 who don’t give a shit and are not stressed a bit: :DDD
stoner dudes high as balls 247 who don’t give a shit
Bro where do you work where this is not caught in the first interview
I’ve been high in most jobs I had, every now and then at least.
Not when driving a taxi, but we used to get insanely high for the night shifts at the taxi dispatch call centre where I also worked with the younger coworkers (<35) I had. As long as you get the necessary shit done, why’d anyone care? The night shifts were boring as fuck, you’d have like a few to a few dozen calls an hour. Meaning that mostly you’re just having to browse the web while waiting.
And Finns genuinely couldn’t even tell when I’m high as balls, the willfull ignorance in Finnish social interaction is quite strong.
As long as you get the necessary shit done, why’d anyone care?
I don’t, I just couldn’t imagine many work places where you’d work in a team or interact with clients or customers or coworkers where this type of thing would be accepted.
But ah, Finland ✅, and night shifts ✅, and younger crew with little to no management around ✅, still able to perform a not so crucial task requiring not a lot of brain power ✅. I’m all for it dude. Have fun while working, that’s the bomb. ❤️
Well, 25-30. But the older ladies at the dispatch smoked weed as well. Well few of them did. One liked opiates. Most drank.
I don’t work there anymore, but it’s somewhat complicated logistics. You arrange school rides for kids and patient rides to hospitals and have to make sure people aren’t late for their planes and trains leaving in the morning.
It’s just that for the first several hours, it’d be every calm during the night. Sometime around 4am people start leaving for trains, buses, planes. Then around 5-6 you have people going to hospitals. Sometimes they’re disabled and need a taxi that can fit a stretcher. Then it’s the kids after that.
But like some people like caffeine aa they feel they need more energy to perk up. It’s the other way around for me.
But yeah thanks though it was fun. I was kinda pissed during corona when they finally took remote work as my home workstation is far superior to what they were when I worked there, and I kept actually using a team viewer connection back then as well (~2012) so could’ve easily done the work from my home.
And yes you’d might wonder what sort of company allows an employee to install remote control software on their computers?
A small company with a large turnover which never understood their dispatch center or technology properly.
But like if you made a poll on some programming community here on how many of them work while high…?
I know softwares see developers in rather esteemed positions who smoke every day. Not all day necessarily but
I’m a software developer and, while I don’t smoke all day, I’m a night owl. Some days I’ll go to bed at 2 AM several nights in a row, and after that, I basically go a couple days where I don’t get anything done. So I might as well practically have been smoking all day being high as a kite. 😅
I’ve seen this in upper management. Dude has zero f to give. I mean like drugs removed them.
Me: Mai dude building is on fire Dude: it’s fine only 16 flights of stairs. I’ll wait out the rush.
He never had sense of urgency.
Often if you can make it past the first interview you don’t get caught unless a workers comp claim gets filed. The place I work we had people * in training* come in smelling like weed, a few others smelling like booze, and one came in very obviously high on coke. From what I remember the only one who got fired was for cursing someone out. Even past that, we’ve had a couple of members of leaderships who were alcoholics who regularly drank on the job, and there was always at least one person smoking in the parking lot.
All depends on employee tolerance and employer need, really.
And which field was this? What kind of workplace?
I’m not really saying this can’t happen. Just that I couldn’t think of a place myself where this would be tolerated. Not where I live, at least. 😅
looks at companies forcing RTO 👀
Please tell me this is fake. Please?!?!!??
True story: I once worked for a startup where the head of HR kept a spreadsheet he called his “naughty and nice” list. For every employee he had a score that boiled down to “risk to the company”. He would send out surveys like this and say things like “your feedback is strictly confidential”, then use the responses to determine people’s scores. Of course other things like any kind of complaint he overheard went into it too.
It seems that it’s most likely an out-of-touch marketing stunt. The company, Yes Madam, is apparently launching some sort of corporate wellness program type thing so they are likely going to pivot this publicity into “Treating employees like that would be awful right?! But companies do have stressed employees and should take care of them with…blah”.
I hope it fully backfires and they go out of business.
EDIT: It just hit me that they are going to say “We didn’t have a single employee who indicated stress on the survey, because we take care of our employees.”
Nope. This is real and the company straight up fired over 100 people.
Check again…it was a publicity stunt.
@enbyecho@lemmy.world you were correct. it’s nice to be vindicated but annoying that the internet will never stop falling for obvious bait like this.
Additionally, the company introduced a ‘De-stress Leave Policy’, allowing employees to avail up to six paid leaves annually for mental health and rejuvenation
Wow, such generosity! Also, they did write that they are ‘family’ in the statement 🌚
And “in home massages” where that means the CEO will come over and massage you if you are pretty and they have a fake promotion to dangle over them.
It’s India. Of course it’s not fake.
Not that this wouldn’t happen, but for me the screenshot looks a bit edited (though I’m just viewing on my phone): look at the clarity of the text in the email, then at the signature and logo. Might be that somebody just swapped out the text in an image editor.
Years ago I heard this story about a company in India that held a fire drill. Once everybody was gathered outside, they made the announcement that for about a third of them their key cards wouldn’t work anymore because they were fired. My colleagues from India at the time said that sounded very real.
I had a coworker who had this happen at a former search company in the US.
Don’t need India for stories like that: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uKsD_5GCY1Y
PirateSoftware Blizzard story
The only thing I could find is that Yes Madam is a real company and that the sender is indeed the HR head of that company. So if it’s fake, someone kept the header and signature of a real email. Or maybe a real email sent on April 1st? I have a hard time believing that this is real (not that a company wouldn’t do this, but the fact that they would admit to it so blatantly like it’s not a bad thing).
There’s a news article linked in another comment.
It was real, and 100 people were fired.
In response, YES Madam stated on LinkedIn, apologising for any distress caused by the campaign. The company stated that it “would never take such a step” and that the action was intended to draw attention to the critical issue of workplace stress. source
I don’t even know what you were citing, but now that the news is out let this be a lesson to not just take everything in the news for granted. All the slop outlets were just reading the same screenshot in this post verbatim and did no original reporting.
It’s a disgusting and utterly tone deaf marketing stunt then
And they just included them all in the ‘to’ instead of bcc. Very professional.
That email is company wide, not specific to those fired
Yes, but you always BCC large groups like that to prevent reply-all disasters.
I was once on a massive reply-all chain. Most of the emails were “stop replying all!” But one made me chuckle. “I like these emails it makes me feel important.”
My favorite was when someone from HR finally replied and asked everyone to stop replying to all or else. Then one guy replied “Ok” to all.
I was once in a reply all email chain where one person got so irrate at everyone else that a subreddit was created just to post memes about this person. I wish I could remember the sub name, but it was years ago and the sub probably isnt there anymore anyway.
Reminds me of /fucktsarevich, a sub only for hating a particularly arrogant and unpleasant character in Genshin Impact…
It’s more the quest that’s the problem than the NPC.
The NPC has a repeatable quest that has a random really low chance of being available on each IRL day. It will become unavailable again the next day regardless of if you do it or not and if you were successful or not.
The quest has three different paths. Doing each path successfully at least once gives you an achievement that’s prob the hardest to get in the game, because of how low the chance of it spawning on a given day and you logging on to the game and checking if it is available that day are. And it has to be repeated at least three times (more if you fail the quest).
The rewards are negligible but completionists get understandably pissed off.
People logs in everyday, so sooner or later they’ll get the achievement; personally I hate him for how easily he talks shit of others, even to their face.
100% - it’s obviously a company run by slack jawed morons but the original comment had assumed it was only those affected getting the email, which is a different context
It’s normally standard to send mass emails using BCC to avoid someone using the Reply All button to spam up people’s inboxes.
Totally - just pointing out that implied in the first comment was those included in the email were the fired ones when that’s not the case
Ah you’re right, I missed the “impacted employees will receive” line. Tired skimming fails again.
Easy mistake to make - it wasn’t exactly front and center
Every company I’ve worked at sends these surveys out and says they are “anonymous”. I never respond to them.
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If they are truly anonymous, why does my boss personally call me out to respond to them? I know it may track if you have submitted the survey. If it has that capability, then it can track you.
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I don’t want a “moral boosting” pizza party. Give me more time off or more pay.
I respond to all of them with brutal honestly. My most recent one was along the lines of
“A major topic of the town hall meeting was the push to get [sales number] by the end of the year. We did the same thing last year and I got a 2% raise. What is my incentive to make you money if my raises don’t even match inflation?”
Even if it’s anonymous, my boss knows it’s me. This way I can bring it up in my review as a callback as opposed to trying to awkwardly work it in to the conversation
If a “raise” doesn’t even cover inflation, it’s not a raise.
Edit: The best raises I’ve ever received were from leaving a job to a new job
Yes agreed. I make about 2% less than what I was hired at adjusted for inflation after 3 years despite doing a lot more work. If I don’t get a 10% raise, I’ll be calling back the recruiter who has been trying to poach me for 3 years.
I did something similar to this but I misremembered the figure. So I got to watch my boss fiddle and fumble for the courage to say ‘actually it was only an X% raise, not Y%’
LOL I like it, take it one step further too: “…and you’ll be hearing about this shit during my performance review!”
Recently at a company town hall, “please respond the anonymous employee satisfaction survey.”
My boss a couple of weeks later, “HR says they need more surveys from our group. Please encourage your teams to fill them out.”
Yeah, completely anonymous.
And why is the url they send always “website.com/survey-name/[random hash]”? Why are there trackers on this totally anonymous, fo sho, survey link?
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this is
likelysatire/a publicity stunt by the wayedit: proof. trust your gut yall.
It was reported by several outlets as true.
Risky publicity stunt if that’s what it was.
id believe it if there was a single outlet doing original reporting :/ all of them are just reading verbatim the same screenshots we have here. some of them bother to put the word “allegedly” in.
Your assertion has even less basis though… It’s been a day, if it weren’t true surely they would have issued a refutation…
If you’d put “probably” in your statement you’d be on more solid ground.
i’ll do that. thanks for the recommendation.
The company faced significant backlash after allegedly terminating employees under stress and later clarified that the move was part of an awareness initiative.
lmao yeah right. Get fucked. “Ohh we tots didn’t mean it besties”
According to… ?
https://www.afaqs.com/news/social-media/yes-madams-termination-email-unveiled-as-campaign-to-address-workplace-stress-8416050
Edit: fixed link thx @spujb@lemmy.cafe
Common sense
Fr, there’s so much now days that I’ve eaten the onion several times.
you were downvoted but you were correct. vindication!
And you really believe that?
“Let’s pretend we fire all employees that are stressed out over or horror practices, will be a great commercial!”
What that link says is that they fucked around and found out and are now making up bullshit excuses to contain the find.
I don’t believe anything, is my point. Everything about this reads to me as made up attention seeking. So sure, you wouldn’t be wrong to guess maybe the latest news is false too.
And no one gave critical/constructive feedback ever again. Mission accomplished!
We did it, Patrick! We solved workplace stress!
No one tell them about poor or mentally ill people 😭
This is hilarious
I doubt the people who’s kids are going to starve because they were so stressed at work agree with you on that.
Big if true
I doubt they’ll eat any better by you telling him off.
