If Luigi signs every Dollar he can probably sell those on EBay and double or more the amount.
If you were poor and given an opportunity to become a doctor but get paid only as much as a housekeeper, would you do it?
Luigi should be freed because the subject in question decides to pay the doctor far more than a nurse but at the same time they take an even larger chunk for doing nothing at all. All this does is ensures the patient dies or becomes a working slave or dies slowly after becoming homeless.
If you make 200k you’ll still find it hard to pay 10k a month or whatever these people want. If you make 50k and are sole provider you’re so very much screwed.
Ok well howabout this idea. Starting crowd funds to put out hits on the remaining health insurance and big pharma CEO’s. Fuckin drop a name and for $300,000 ill make them gone.
Healthcare industry: “Wait, people had $300k just lying around? We gotta raise our prices!”
Crowdfunding fixing the problems in American healthcare AGAIN
Love how this is actually uplifting
https://www.givesendgo.com/legalfund-ceo-shooting-suspect
Wanna help get those numbers up?
“The American private health insurance industry has ruined countless lives by denying people access to basic care and burying families in medical debt,” said D4 Legal Committee spokesperson Sam Beard in a statement.
Sam Beard of the Party Girls podcast btw.
Here’s a clip of him on CNN.at what point are all expenses covered and we’re just paying for the lawyer’s second yacht?
I dont think you know how the american legal system works
Someone (the state, unitedhealthcare, or just about anyone) will just sue him over and over again for the most ridiculous reasons until he has no money left or he commits suicide. There are no precautions for that scenario, so it will very likely happen.
Not sure why you think this, they’d need a lawsuit with merits and standing. And if you do it enough there wrong way, the court can absolutely protect whoever it is you’re suing or they can counter sue.
Or even more realistically, Luigi can make his court appearances and ignore the lawsuits. At some point paying a lawyer to harass people with no money isn’t worth it. You can also waste their time as much as they waste yours and cost them money. Just get a cheap lawyer and tell them you’ll pay them to waste as much of their time as possible and it works. Your case may take 5-10 years to resolve that way.
Or you can just leave the country. Which sucks but it’s better than being harassed all the time and bankrupt.
Lol, what kind of nonsense is “Hey, famous on-camera assassin of the elite: just emigrate?”
To where? You want him to go join Snowden as a hostage of the Russian state, trotted out for PR statements?
Obviously, Luigi is an innocent man, but that doesn’t mean immigration is going to approve him.
Just because you are uneducated on a topic doesn’t make it nonsense.
It’s not nonsense at all, you can move to another country to make them try to sue you internationally which most of the time they won’t bother with. That and they’d have to track you down in the new country, it complicates things for them more than for you. Even just moving to Canada is a significant legal hurdle for them.
And I’m saying this post-trial not currently or as a criminal. If he’s found guilty, yeah he’d have to go to Russia. But if he’s found innocent and they’re pestering him, he has options is all I’m saying.
I want to hope the trial is covered relentlessly, but I know YouTube/Tiktok/Facebook are going to snub it in the algorithms. Reddit will mass ban it.
Not to speak of cable news.
Our best hope is Donald Trump opening his mouth about it, as he doesn’t seem to recognize the Streisand Effect. Then the algos will pick it up.
psst guess where it likely wont be blocked… Peertube.
(Personally im not plugged in there, so I dont know how well it would handle it, but its a nice to think it wont be burried there)
Problem is discoverability. We all want Peertube to succeed, and they have excellent technology, but discovering content there is next to impossible. Otherwise its active user numbers would grow. It’s the same reason Bluesky - for all its flaws - succeeded where Mastodon failed.
Why would they snub a massive driver of revenue?
Because he represents a threat to them.
I suspect most CEOs are going to take that small risk in order to earn a few more billions, and spend a tiny portion of that on additional security. Maybe donate a pittance to the police.
If you can make $1000, and it costs you $500 to make you secure doing that, then it’s worth it. Line must go up, as everyone says.
Because their billionaire owners specifically ask them to? Self compliance with regulators?
Masks are off, pretty much everyone but Google has loudly advertised they manipulate the algorithms for their interests, seemingly as a gesture after the election.
Could you provide some links on the advertised manipulation of the algorithms for their interests? Thanks.
Google just does it quietly.
ID is set to air a documentary about the alleged murder suspect with interviews from individuals who knew Mangione personally, as well as with New York Mayor Eric Adams, NYPD Chief of Detectives Joseph Kenny, and other experts on the case.
I am curious how they are going to spin this. I would hope they don’t demonize The Adjuster, but kinda expecting it because of the money in the health insurance industry.
It’s Investigation Discovery.
There is 0% chance it has any pro-Luigi sentiment.
All the news about Luigi is soooo much more enjoyable than hearing the same type of outrageous US political headlines we usually hear.
And this is actually news! Hope the amount is enough.
Could have gone to people in medical debt because of insurance companies because, you know, he’s from a wealthy family and doesn’t need money…
He saved blue cross patients far more on surgical anesthesia by now.
https://www.npr.org/2024/12/05/nx-s1-5217617/blue-cross-blue-shield-anesthesia-anthem
Clearly what Luigi did works, only positive change to our health insurance confidence scheme of a healthcare system in our lifetimes, however slight.
Thank you Luigi! You showed us the only thing that seems to work on capitalists. Fear.
Fair point.
I suppose it’s pretty cool in a symbolic way, but you’re not wrong.
Not sure why you got downvoted so much but that’s true, no matter how many people like Luigi. Now our best hope is that he uses that money to help people :/
Couldn’t disagree more.
our best hope is no jury convicts him and he’s let go. The threat of continued violence like what happened with Brian Thompson may scare healthcare execs into doing the right thing. That’s our best hope. Not 300k of chump change handed out to a few of the multitude of people with medical debt in this country.
The thing is, Luigi is by no means poor. Did he really need that 300k? If so, then yeah you’re right
His family is rich for sure but the 26 year old doesn’t seem to be. At least not 300k for legal defense rich. I’m not clear if his family is funding him or not but based on his acceptance of the fundraiser and the lack of stories about his family funding him I’m guessing he needs the money.
Celebrating the murder of an unarmed man is not “uplifting”. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
You should be ashamed of defending this murderous system that has left us no peaceful recourse due to regulatory capture of both parties and therefore no vote to end it ever. Vote Red, vote blue, it’s a vote for murder for profit either way. We don’t get a vote on our murderous economy, just the social symptoms that don’t effect quarterly metastasis expectations.
You would have this healthcare insurance confidence scam murder their marks who trusted them and paid them in advance in perpetuity when they actually need care and become a threat to profits.
People like you get more offended when people are murdered in a straightforward manner than with a confidence scheme and a claim denial letter. At least a gun is demonstrating honest intent that isn’t trying to gaslight people into shutting up as it ends their life prematurely.
You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
No thanks. Appreciate the offer though.
I’ve never been set up for such an enjoyable downvote. Thanks!
Brain Thompson’s death made me so happy. 🙂 Glad he’s rotting.
You’re right! But we’re celebrating the murder of a serial killer
You kill one person its murder, kill 10s of thousand its a statistic.
Not a statistic, shareholder value.
That’s literally a statistic.
The person he killed was responsi6for many deaths. His big push as CEO was specifically to deny care to people with medical needs that were paying his company specifically so they would have medical care.
When legitimate means of justice are denied, people will eventually take matters into their own hands. And when millions of people support that vigilante justice, it means the law is failing. This whole incident should be seen as the canary going silent. Shit’s about to get bad on the streets.
Legitimate means of justice are denied? You live in country with the rule of law, a constitution that dates back 240 years, regular changes of government during all that period. And as an aside, you’re all but drowning in material abundance. Do you realize how fortunate and privileged you already are compared to most of the world’s people? What is this utopia that you need in order to be able to agree with the simple proposition that it’s wrong - always wrong - to kill unarmed defenseless people in the street?
LOL, this bloke thinks US citizens have rule of law.
US citizen here confirming that no we fucking do not
Rule of law has not worked to fix the system, and material abundance does not help the sick and injured who are being scammed out of their savings for the promise of living.
I agree with you that killing defensless people in the street is wrong. I also do not see this specific murder as wrong, and am prepared to defend that opinion from the standpoint of reducing the totality of human suffering. I would not perform such murder, but I would not assist the police.
If you think I’m evil, so be it, but pearl-clutching does nothing but waste bandwidth, so give your best effort to convince people that your view is correct.
Finally, a minimally thoughtful argument. I’m disappointed you think I’m wasting bandwidth. Not least because I’m the only voice here defending a person’s right not to be murdered. Do you think that having a debate on this subject is a “waste of bandwidth”? And if you look carefully, I think you’ll find I’ve been very concise in responding to specific arguments.
I don’t think you’re evil. I’m not sure I even believe in evil. I think you’re wrong, in the profoundest possible sense. And also misguided, on the grounds that political assassinations will get you exactly the opposite results to the ones you want.
This is not “a” person, this is a specific person who has perpetuated a corporate policy that directly affects the livelyhood of its medical customers. Many customers died because they were denied care, as a result of said corporate policy.
This assassination did get me a positive result. Were I to go into surgery, I am garuteed anesthetics for the full surgery, even if it goes into overtime. This is due to United reversing a decision they made before the shooting. It was only through Brian Thompsan’s death that the company made this decision, as they have a reputation for denying care they are responsible for giving.
The only legal recourse would be lawsuits. This does not work, as corporations of United’s size pay fines as if they were taxes - the fines don’t get the intended result.
Are you against all violence, or unnecessary violence? History has many examples of necessary violence as a means of protecting one’s home or life. Violence is often inevitable, as desperate people become commonplace. And since there is no line dividing functional and dysfunctional societies, one must use their own judgment to determine if using violence will get them the change they want, and if that change is worthwhile.
Even if you aren’t desperate, good luck explaining to the growing homeless how legal reform works better than insurrection, when they could easily steal to meet their need for food. The desperate don’t think long term, since humans prioritize immediate food and shelter over abstract economic stability. And since fewer housed people can afford retirement, their ability to believe in a stable future for themselves wanes.
To invoke “necessary” and “inevitable” violence is a dangerous slope to be on. Yes, I can see such hypothetical scenarios, for example at a moment of maximal tension when peaceful protests are being violently repressed by the secret police of dictatorial regime and suddenly someone breaks the gates of the presidential palace.
The USA in 2025 is absolutely not in that situation. You live in a country with functioning representative institutions. You have a thousand more boring and more ethical ways to try to bring about change than murdering an unarmed executive in the street. And doing things your way, apart from being plainly wrong in itself, will be counterproductive. There’s nothing that Trump wants more than more assassinations like this one. Every wannabe dictator dreams of civil unrest and lawlessness - it enables them to step in and grab more power in order to"fix it". This scenario has played itself out over and over again in a ton of places, the only surprise is that nobody here seems to know.
In the end, what you are all excusing here is both bad and dumb. It’s seems to be mostly about assuaging your (plural) own rage and frustration. It certainly will not solve anything. Anyway, I’ve said what I have to say here. Good night.
If legitimate means were available, the man would have been serving a life sentence instead of being gunned down in the street. Or even better, prior CEOs being jailed would have scared them into not sentencing customers to death for profit.
Instead, the barbarism of unchecked capitalism lead us to a situation where someone getting murdered in cold blood is seen by millions as an act of heroism because we never see these monsters held to account for the harm they cause.
Luigi and the reaction to the assassination are symptoms of a failing system on the verge of becoming terminal, and more recent developments are not encouraging.
This murder victim, because let’s not lose sight of what we’re talking about, committed no crime, so of course he should not be serving a “life sentence”. Unless it’s you who personally writes the laws now - is that it? He was a part of a system. You too are part of that system. If what he did was legal, that’s also your fault, as a citizen. And since we’re talking about you, I’m absolutely certain that you personally have done something that had a pernicious second-order effect in society. Would you be happy for some random stranger to decide that, laws notwithstanding, you therefore merit murder? You are openly advocating for a world of vigilantism and lawlessness. In that world, the cost of your healthcare would be the least of your problems.
You’re conflating legality and morality. The fact that killing people in the way Thompson did it was not a crime is exactly the problem. We’re already in a world of lawlessness for the elites. The Thompson killing was reminding them that what goes around comes around, and frankly we need more of it until they start making actual good-faith efforts to fix the society that they broke for all of us.
We elect the Bernie’s and the AOC’s to correct the bloodthirsty capitalists, they get sidelined by the status quo and fight hard for scraps. Our popular vote gets overridden by the Electoral College. The US Supreme Court, whom we don’t elect and can’t remove for blatant corruption, take away our rights and allow corporations to be “people” (Citizens United case)…
We try to elect people who run on fixing things and enshrining into law the rights we’ve fought for. Sometimes those people get elected, switch parties and/or their votes, and fuck over the voters (look up state representative Tricia Cotham in NC for a blatant example)
Vigilantes happen when the system and rule of law fails the people instead of protecting, serving, and holding accountable.
Vigilantes are the result of a complete leval, moral, and ethical failure against society. (Look up Ken McElroy for an example that seems made up to prove a point, but isn’t)
The average person, not in politics, trying to work and live, has the power of their vote and their voice. Some want change & safety nets, some want fascism & power, some are silent - apathetic or overwhelmed. What happens when our vote and voice isn’t enough?
We see UHC deny care in a system we are paying into. What are our options? March? Write letters? Vote? How do we change the system and make a UHC cover the medical costs we need and that we are paying them to cover?
Where is the moral, ethical, legal fix for people having their quality of life trashed or losing their lives to delayed or denied treatment?
I agree that the answer should not be a vigilante. But this is an unfair world and there should not be a lot of things. Give me a solution other than “murder is bad guys, mmkay”
Should the alleged perp, should he be found guilty spend a certain amount of time in prison? Yes. And whomever did it probably knows that and is prepared.
Should the alleged shooter have terroism charges? No. Especially when people like Dylan Roof (who sat in a church service before opening fire to start a race war did not get those charges)
The system is worried right now. It’s pushed people to the breaking point. What happens next will directly affect the quality of life for hundreds of millions of people, for our children and our grandchildren.
Will the system compromise or put a boot on our necks?
The people who can actually change things have to think it’s in their best interest to do so.
And you’re conflating yourself with the law. Who decides what’s a crime? You? A vote in this discussion thread? Personally I think you’re deeply immoral in your apology of cold-blooded murder - does that mean I get to take justice into my own hands and arraign you on the street? You don’t have a leg to stand on.
Congress is supposed to decide what’s a crime. They’ve been… less than receptive to what the people need of late. This disconnect between what society considers just and what the law states is clearly demonstrated by the lack of public condemnation for Luigi - the only people you hear being upset about it are the ones who are paid to be.
Are you Dora the Explorer on an acid trip?
I ask because you seem incapable of not licking Boots
I spit my coffee laughing at this lmao. Great burn comrade
Killing people in power who are overly greedy is a tradition, it’s how civilizations advance! It doesn’t matter if they are unarmed or not if they are destroying the lives of the people below them
It’s been America’s M.O. since the the '40s. Kill fascists in Germany and Japan, kill communists in Korea and Vietnam, kill the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, Boko Haram, kill anyone who sounds like they rule with an iron fist. Deliver freedom to people! It’s the most patriotic thing you can do: Kill people in power
Why should that time-honored tradition start for us overseas? Why not bring that tradition home?
There’s a lot of irrelevant apologism going on here (from which I will take that, deep down, you probably feel a little guilty about excusing cold-blooded murder - which at least proves that you’re human). To respond to just the first point: no, chaos and vigilantism are not the only way that “civilizations advance”. Some of the most advanced civilizations (let’s say: Switzerland, Japan, even Britain) have managed to reform incrementally, without the need for the bloody revolution you are advocating. Recourse to lawless chaos (France 1793, America soon apparently) is a sign that one’s civilization is a failure not that it’s “advancing”.
Some of the most advanced civilizations (let’s say: Switzerland, Japan, even Britain) have managed to reform incrementally,
You might want to read up on Japan pre-WW2. They reformed from looting and razing other countries and having a self-professed rape problem due to getting trounced.
Irrelevant. Japan’s civilization was already “advanced” and the reforms were entirely peaceful. Unless you’re advocating for foreign wars of conquest as a solution to America’s feckless inability to get itself universal healthcare?
Lol, you can’t even stay on your own topic. ADHD mate. Look into it.
Then maybe celebrating the legal defense fund for paying lawyers to defend the accused person is?
You should be ashamed were you to insinuate that getting a good lawyer is a bad thing.That’s a disingenuous argument and you know it is.
No, I really mean it.
We don’t know whether Luigi did what he got accused of.
And we’re not the ones who judge.
Given that the trial is held in a country where only lots of money gets you good medical support and good legal representation, I’m glad there a funds to pay for good legal representation.
That’s it.The headline is “crowd raises money to defend innocent man accused of crimes”.
I don’t know where you’re getting that we’re celebrating murder. You won’t even accept that you’re jumping to conclusions. You’ve got a lot of assumptions built into that head of yours sir.
Again, this is plainly dishonest, but I’ll read it as repressed guilt. After all, you’re (presumably) a human being with a moral compass.
Sure, anyone who disagrees with you is evil or dishonest. That’s how you know that YOU’RE the only one engaging in honest open discussion.
But I don’t say you’re evil, I say you are dishonest. You just want to defend an “innocent man accused of crimes”, but this particular man and this particular crime - pure coincidence! Your dishonesty is plain as day. You want to defend a murderer because you think he was right to murder, you think that his unarmed victim deserved to expire in a pool of his own blood on the sidewalk. At least have the courage of your convictions.
I don’t see you standing up for all murder victims. You’re ONLY here in this thread defending this specific murder victim. Your dishonesty is plain as day. It’s clear that you think the rich should not face the social consequences of their actions. You think that as long as someone follows the law they should be able to harm as many people as they want as long as they create shareholder value. The fact that this is the murder victim you’re defending is pure coincidence! You act like you just want everyone around you to have “honest discussions” but you hide your own convictions. At least have the courage of your convictions.
Legal defense “oh, sorry kid, the cost is $300,001. Guess you gotta do what the government decides…”
Meanwhile that lawyer is taking a bribe from the government to not represent Luigi.
For the record, I’m not in favor of this. I just know how these things go. Government thinks it’s above the people. Just ask Martin Luther King. Oh wait, you can’t. And not from old age either, as I realize that by 2025 it would have been plausible to die of old age. No, you couldn’t ask him in 1964.
Meanwhile that lawyer is taking a bribe from the government to not represent Luigi.
Considering that that’s something that explicitly results in disbarment, and that an incompetent or deliberately poor legal defense is grounds for a new trial, I highly doubt that this would occur.
There are ways around these consequences, of course, but there would be very few defense attorneys willing to risk their career to facilitate a win for the government. I suppose blackmail isn’t out of the question, if they want to go down that road, but that’s highly speculative and conspiratorial.
Don’t waste your mental health getting mad about things that haven’t happened
I made things up and then the things I made up made me angry 😡
That’s not how these things go.
What? The article doesn’t even suggest that his legal defense isn’t going to represent him.
It’s a bit rambled, but I suspect they’re talking more about out the issues with the legal system and its control by the ruling class rather than any specific mentioned in the article.
