• Korkki@lemmy.world
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    Cold war boomers trying to legislate tech they know nothing about

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    Lol let’s stop people from using this open source design
    If anything this might increase self-reliance

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      The spec is open source, particular implementation are typically under patent/copyright protection.
      Not that they can be enforced effectively, unless the chips are exported into the US.

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        Isn’t the whole point that china wants to implement it themselves so they would know if it’s secure (i.e. has no western backdoors and has chinese backdoors)?

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    So the US government wants to curtail the use of an open source architecture that is published by a Swiss organization which isn’t controlled by any government.

    Talk about tilting at windmills. What the fuck could they possibly do? Sanction RISC-V International? ONO!

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    The US government is a spoiled child that is throwing a temper tantrum over the success of others.

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    How could this ever even work? Isn’t the cat out of the bag. China will make chips if it wants to… I don’t see how you could stop them.

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    By make it harder do they mean put a gun to ASMLs head to not sell them the hadware needed to make them ? ASML is a Dutch company, spun out of Phillips from memory.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The United States Department of Commerce is reportedly considering lawmakers’ calls to make it harder for China to use the RISC-V instruction set architecture (ISA).

    In late 2023, members of the House Select Committee on the Strategic Competition Between the United States and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) expressed concern that the Uncle Sam’s many efforts to make it hard for advanced chips to reach China are being undermined by RISC-V.

    “While the benefits of open source collaboration on RISC-V promise to be significant, it can only be realized when contributors are working with the sole aim of improving the technology, and not aiding the geopolitical interests of the PRC,” the representatives wrote in a November 2023 letter that called for creation of a “robust ecosystem for open source collaboration among the US and our allies while ensuring the PRC is unable to benefit from that work.”

    That’s code for “Banning sales of chips to China won’t work if Beijing can build its own using RISC-V.” The Committee members therefore called on US commerce secretary Gina Raimondo to consider what might be done about RISC-V.

    RISC-V International CEO Calista Redmond defended open source collaboration, on grounds that it advances the development technology and leads to the creation of very useful things like USB and Ethernet, and pointed out that her own org is a mere publisher of a standard.

    China has made it plain that it wants more of this sort of thing, by approving only processors it can control to some extent – because their architectures allow customization – and issuing its own bans on the import of US tech.


    The original article contains 513 words, the summary contains 271 words. Saved 47%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • Hello Hotel@lemmy.world
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    Edit: i was being melodramatic, I will still leave this up.

    My home country is eating away at itself. 🫤 Every day I hear news of how the US is chasing the clouds, attacking the “illusive newfound chinese power”. The US is acting like the king from double king.

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      The US is trying to prevent both China and Russia from:

      • Spewing propaganda to its citizens by posing as citizens or manipulating social media algorithms
      • Taking advantage of the work it and other countries have done to advance computing
      • Stealing designs and advancing them without giving back
      • Stealing designs and using state money to undercut the competition’s pricing
      • Buying up the world while refusing to let the world buy any of China
      • Expanding their borders by violence

      Among many many other things. I think this RISC-V thing will go no where but I get why they’re looking at it.

      There’s plenty the US is getting wrong… But I don’t think trying to limit China’s growth and power on the backs of western technology is one.

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        I hope not, its extralegal. I understand what they are trying to do and still beleave they are okay with personally doing all that stuff but upset when anyone else tries. If these 3 countries keep this up, we will likely have multiple fallen empires on the world stage.

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          • It’s perfectly legal. These things have been done throughout the US and European history.
          • I’m unaware of any instance of the US getting upset over an ally taking similar action.
          • I doubt it. They’re doing a lot of this because next generation warfare depends on advanced chips. They want the west to have the chips and technologies it invented and to keep them away from China and Russia so long as they continue to act hostile. It’s all to minimize the risk of global conflict by minimizing access to the “materials of war.” They’re not doing this because they’re worried about Chinese and Russian gamers having too much fun.