You can’t have been on lemmy for long then. Because tankies thinks Ukraine is bad and Russia is good, which is even worse (although both opinions stesms from the same Russian propaganda).
Ukraine is a very flawed country. It has a real problem with corruption, nationalism and treatment of minority language groups (not just Russians). Still a better country than Russia, and trying to move towards a liberal democracy which is also at least better. But people tend to ignore thier faults completely.
I have, unfortunately. People talking about “Donbass genocide” and the like, asserting Russia is anti-imperialist, eagerly gobbling up Russian propaganda like it was their last meal.
That is 100% what they want. Nobody is immune to propaganda and they know that, if they can get people to start looking there - even out of hatred - they can recruit into their echo chamber. That’s their goal.
is implying russians are still socialist soviets, and claiming the opposite side said things they havent not propaganda too? ive been watching this kind of thing for a while now.
ive been proto right wing before looking closer into politics and I held a similar opinion without realizing there isnt such a thing as a neutral news and spaces when it comes to this and the ones claiming to be neutral are lying even harder.
much better to understand the biases and motivations behind what you see on the political spectrum and form your own opinions accordingly.
I’ve seen GOP idiots in my local news comments try to somehow convince others that Ukraine is stealing money from “us” that could be used to rebuild after our fires, etc, and that they deserve whatever they get.
It’s incredible watching them suddenly become doves. Like it’s in America’s best interest to see peace in Ukraine, and Ukraine is the one that needs to roll over to make that happen. Somehow, Russia leaving is never mentioned.
At most I have seen nato skepticism or antiwar sentiment accused of being supportive of Russia or demonizing Ukraine, but the equivalence of Ukraine and Russia are both equally bad actors isn’t really a thing.
Yeah. There’s always internet comments that can be screenshotted over two years. I mean that really goes to show it is not a popular or prominent position that is held. It’s not a serious position.
Getting on with it though: it more importantly isn’t a position held or expressed by anyone in positions of power or policy over the war as far as I know. At least not that aligns with the meme or the general idea that Ukraine is somehow just as bad as Russia.
The pro Russia crowd supports Russia so even their stance don’t fall under this category of thinking Ukraine and Russia are indistinguishable bad.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone call Ukraine just as bad as Russia
You can’t have been on lemmy for long then. Because tankies thinks Ukraine is bad and Russia is good, which is even worse (although both opinions stesms from the same Russian propaganda).
Ukraine is a very flawed country. It has a real problem with corruption, nationalism and treatment of minority language groups (not just Russians). Still a better country than Russia, and trying to move towards a liberal democracy which is also at least better. But people tend to ignore thier faults completely.
I have, unfortunately. People talking about “Donbass genocide” and the like, asserting Russia is anti-imperialist, eagerly gobbling up Russian propaganda like it was their last meal.
I’m guessing you’ve never heard of Hexbear?
Nope
Consider yourself lucky.
i lurk there sometimes
That is 100% what they want. Nobody is immune to propaganda and they know that, if they can get people to start looking there - even out of hatred - they can recruit into their echo chamber. That’s their goal.
is implying russians are still socialist soviets, and claiming the opposite side said things they havent not propaganda too? ive been watching this kind of thing for a while now.
ive been proto right wing before looking closer into politics and I held a similar opinion without realizing there isnt such a thing as a neutral news and spaces when it comes to this and the ones claiming to be neutral are lying even harder.
much better to understand the biases and motivations behind what you see on the political spectrum and form your own opinions accordingly.
Welcome to ‘Murica.
I’ve seen GOP idiots in my local news comments try to somehow convince others that Ukraine is stealing money from “us” that could be used to rebuild after our fires, etc, and that they deserve whatever they get.
People are fucking morons.
It’s incredible watching them suddenly become doves. Like it’s in America’s best interest to see peace in Ukraine, and Ukraine is the one that needs to roll over to make that happen. Somehow, Russia leaving is never mentioned.
At most I have seen nato skepticism or antiwar sentiment accused of being supportive of Russia or demonizing Ukraine, but the equivalence of Ukraine and Russia are both equally bad actors isn’t really a thing.
You sure about that
Yeah. There’s always internet comments that can be screenshotted over two years. I mean that really goes to show it is not a popular or prominent position that is held. It’s not a serious position.
Getting on with it though: it more importantly isn’t a position held or expressed by anyone in positions of power or policy over the war as far as I know. At least not that aligns with the meme or the general idea that Ukraine is somehow just as bad as Russia.
The pro Russia crowd supports Russia so even their stance don’t fall under this category of thinking Ukraine and Russia are indistinguishable bad.