It isn’t like the data will be displayed to the world. The dude is just talking about science having data points.
It is a person seeing that the child was born XY, write that down, and… not even the name is needed. The point of data, a (+1), let’s science know there is now +1XY.
Don’t give a shit what’s in your pants. I just care if we have a data point that depends on people being born as X and they have condition Y. If you change your gender, you change X and that may fuck with the data.
So pulling an example out of my ass: if you are born male, have a condition for say colon cancer. You change your gender to be female. Your doctor does a colonoscopy and finds the cancer after the gender swap (sorry if not the best term). You’re now a female with colon cancer, but what if it was actually due to some genetic conditions from the male side? Changing it to female fucks with the data.
So the one percent of people who are trans are going to fuck up medical statistics? That’s your pathetic excuse for these comments? The most generous one can possibly be with you here is to say that’s a huge stretch. It’s certainly a weird thing to focus on.
You’re being rude. All the guy is saying is that it might affect data.
Does that make them a transphobe to say that male genetics has a higher chance for colon cancer and having it be tracked as a woman would dilute/fog up the data?
Science and data are objective. This guy just cares about numbers, not your sex and gender. Just the numbers of it.
Ironic that you’re defending a transphobe from that lemmy instance.
Yes, they are a transphobe. I read a dozen of their comments before making that conclusion. They are hiding behind a lie, it doesn’t fool me. I suspect you’re seeing what you want to see because you too are obsessed with strangers birth genitals
I’d argue it simply makes them a bad data scientist. Biology cares not for the categories we create to explain it, and the purpose of categorization is to make sense of what’s already in the world, not to prescribe how it should be. Exceptions exist everywhere, not just in trans people. If your modeling of the data is inaccurate because you only have a binary categorization of sex, that categorization is to blame, not the people who the data represents.
So ultimately, in medical studies, perhaps it’s important to note how you categorized your subjects’ sex, how that relates to the mechanisms of what you’re studying, and perhaps studying trans people’s data further can provide more insights e.g. how hormones affect a condition. Science and data is reliant on the narratives we use to inspect and describe it, and the less of our societal baggage we impose on that process, the better.
I’m saying they should be accurately recorded so they can be accounted for. If you can’t see how this is a big deal, I can’t help you.
I honestly don’t care what you identify as. Be a fucking apache attack helicopter. I don’t give a shit. I want people to be able data from specific birthd and have them be able to accurately correlate the data. I don’t want the data to be fucked up because someone decided that they are a different gender.
People lying on surveys and to doctors about a million other things has impacted medical data 37648383773838273738% more than this ever possibly could. I suppose you’re trying to do something about those people right? Hmm weird how that never once occurred to you. It’s almost like you’re looking for a justification for spreading subtle hatred.
For not caring about what somebody identifies as you sure seem to care quite a bit. Your reasoning seems to be a bit obtuse. It sounds like concern trolling more than anything.
Do you think that they don’t have your whole medical history? Like if they’re looking for a Y-chromosome associated cancer they’ll just pull up my surgical and prescription history and see “oh yeah that’s related” or they’ll order a karyotyping to ensure they’re correct because XY-AFAB people and XX-AMAB people aren’t *that^ rare of an intersex condition, especially as chimerism is downright common.
However what’s much more common is hormonally associated phenomena that aren’t extremely well known to be such. The most famous example is that after not very long on hormones trans people’s heart attack symptoms change to our hormonal sex’s. For a long time it was so rarely known amongst emergency room professionals that trans people were more likely to die of a heart attack.
But beyond this, that’s medical professionals and it’s a complicated discussion that’s currently happening in both the medical and trans communities by those who are affected most by it and those who are experts on these topics. What was clearly meant by this post was not that, but rather that people should feel 100% certain as to what is between the legs of every acquaintance and stranger they meet and that the government needs to know what each and every individual’s birth sex is.
So adjust the data. That’s what science is. It’s always changing as we learn more about ourselves and our universe. Look, I’m really sorry that statistical conclusions drawn from inaccurate data aren’t helpful, but that’s true whether trans people exist or not.
Who asked for your trash opinion?
Trash opinion?
Do you think that knowing a person’s gender at birth is not important? Come on man.
It’s unimportant for literally everyone but them until puberty
And from that point on its their and their doctors problem
It isn’t like the data will be displayed to the world. The dude is just talking about science having data points.
It is a person seeing that the child was born XY, write that down, and… not even the name is needed. The point of data, a (+1), let’s science know there is now +1XY.
The data doesn’t affect the person in any way.
Science doesn’t need those data points though, as stated preciously, it’s not useful to anyone
Simple as
Then it isn’t helpful data to be collecting.
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That data still has meaning.
How you feel about your gender, and your gender at birth are two very different data points.
Hey, I’ve got a novel idea. Stay out of other people’s pants. Ez PZ.
Don’t give a shit what’s in your pants. I just care if we have a data point that depends on people being born as X and they have condition Y. If you change your gender, you change X and that may fuck with the data.
So pulling an example out of my ass: if you are born male, have a condition for say colon cancer. You change your gender to be female. Your doctor does a colonoscopy and finds the cancer after the gender swap (sorry if not the best term). You’re now a female with colon cancer, but what if it was actually due to some genetic conditions from the male side? Changing it to female fucks with the data.
So the one percent of people who are trans are going to fuck up medical statistics? That’s your pathetic excuse for these comments? The most generous one can possibly be with you here is to say that’s a huge stretch. It’s certainly a weird thing to focus on.
You’re being rude. All the guy is saying is that it might affect data.
Does that make them a transphobe to say that male genetics has a higher chance for colon cancer and having it be tracked as a woman would dilute/fog up the data?
Science and data are objective. This guy just cares about numbers, not your sex and gender. Just the numbers of it.
Ironic that you’re defending a transphobe from that lemmy instance.
Yes, they are a transphobe. I read a dozen of their comments before making that conclusion. They are hiding behind a lie, it doesn’t fool me. I suspect you’re seeing what you want to see because you too are obsessed with strangers birth genitals
I’d argue it simply makes them a bad data scientist. Biology cares not for the categories we create to explain it, and the purpose of categorization is to make sense of what’s already in the world, not to prescribe how it should be. Exceptions exist everywhere, not just in trans people. If your modeling of the data is inaccurate because you only have a binary categorization of sex, that categorization is to blame, not the people who the data represents.
So ultimately, in medical studies, perhaps it’s important to note how you categorized your subjects’ sex, how that relates to the mechanisms of what you’re studying, and perhaps studying trans people’s data further can provide more insights e.g. how hormones affect a condition. Science and data is reliant on the narratives we use to inspect and describe it, and the less of our societal baggage we impose on that process, the better.
I’m saying they should be accurately recorded so they can be accounted for. If you can’t see how this is a big deal, I can’t help you.
I honestly don’t care what you identify as. Be a fucking apache attack helicopter. I don’t give a shit. I want people to be able data from specific birthd and have them be able to accurately correlate the data. I don’t want the data to be fucked up because someone decided that they are a different gender.
People lying on surveys and to doctors about a million other things has impacted medical data 37648383773838273738% more than this ever possibly could. I suppose you’re trying to do something about those people right? Hmm weird how that never once occurred to you. It’s almost like you’re looking for a justification for spreading subtle hatred.
For not caring about what somebody identifies as you sure seem to care quite a bit. Your reasoning seems to be a bit obtuse. It sounds like concern trolling more than anything.
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Do you think that they don’t have your whole medical history? Like if they’re looking for a Y-chromosome associated cancer they’ll just pull up my surgical and prescription history and see “oh yeah that’s related” or they’ll order a karyotyping to ensure they’re correct because XY-AFAB people and XX-AMAB people aren’t *that^ rare of an intersex condition, especially as chimerism is downright common.
However what’s much more common is hormonally associated phenomena that aren’t extremely well known to be such. The most famous example is that after not very long on hormones trans people’s heart attack symptoms change to our hormonal sex’s. For a long time it was so rarely known amongst emergency room professionals that trans people were more likely to die of a heart attack.
But beyond this, that’s medical professionals and it’s a complicated discussion that’s currently happening in both the medical and trans communities by those who are affected most by it and those who are experts on these topics. What was clearly meant by this post was not that, but rather that people should feel 100% certain as to what is between the legs of every acquaintance and stranger they meet and that the government needs to know what each and every individual’s birth sex is.
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So adjust the data. That’s what science is. It’s always changing as we learn more about ourselves and our universe. Look, I’m really sorry that statistical conclusions drawn from inaccurate data aren’t helpful, but that’s true whether trans people exist or not.
Adjust the data? How?
You lose that data point. You can’t just magically fix it. That’s the whole point.
Do I think it’s important for a medical doctor? Sure. Do I think it’s important for you to know? No. Why would it be?