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      Each year around a 100,000 Cubans are willing to risk their lives for a chance to live in the US.

      The US is far from perfect, but people don’t get on rafts hoping to make it to Cuba.

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          Notice how when confronted with facts the hexbear has no real argument but assumes being obnoxious is the same as making a coherent argument.

          Cuban refugees carry a higher level of risk than other countries, and yet they still come. Ignoring facts doesn’t make a country better. You wouldn’t let a fact like that slide from the US. Hexbears lack intellectual honesty.

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              No, it’s that saying one place is worse doesn’t make it so.

              Human development index and quality of life studies put the US ahead of Cuba. Cuba isn’t a hellhole that many people make it out to be, but that doesn’t automatically make it better than the US.

              Cuba has better healthcare and lower cost of living, but Americans aren’t on rafts to Cuba.

              One of the problems with enacting good and lasting change in the western world is that life is pretty darn good on the whole. It could be a lot better, but just shouting that the US is bad is mindless propagada. Be better than that.

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                No, it’s that saying one place is worse doesn’t make it so.

                Correct, you saying Cuba is worse doesn’t make it so.

                Human development index and quality of life studies put the US ahead of Cuba

                “Rich country good, poor country bad”

                Cuba has better healthcare and lower cost of living, but Americans aren’t on rafts to Cuba.

                “Rich country good, poor country bad”

                One of the problems with enacting good and lasting change in the western world is that life is pretty darn good on the whole.

                Yes, because the West ruthlessly exploits the global south to prop of it’s own standards of living. This is why serious socialist revolutions have mostly only occurred in the Global South.

                It could be a lot better, but just shouting that the US is bad is mindless propagada. Be better than that.

                Real bad faith framing of your opponents argument there; be better than that.

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                  Real bad faith framing of your opponents argument there; be better than that.

                  Like trying to reframe my argument as “rich country good, poor country bad”?

                  I’ve mentioned statistics, I’ve mentioned a human angle and I’ve been upfront about what ways Cuba is better than the US. You’ve tried to dismiss my argument by misrepresenting it. This level of insecurity shows how shallow your beliefs are.

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                    Like trying to reframe my argument as “rich country good, poor country bad”?

                    No reframing needed, that was just your argument.

                    You’ve tried to dismiss my argument by misrepresenting it.

                    So what exactly is your argument?

                    This level of insecurity shows how shallow your beliefs are.

                    Lol, what anime did you crib this line from?