• Thorny_Thicket@sopuli.xyz
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    You’re not piloting a bone mech, you are it.

    It feels like you’re behind your face looking out into the world but once you pay close attention and look for what’s looking you’ll discover there’s nothing there. There’s no “you” in a sense that there’s someone behind the wheel. There’s just consciousness. It feels like something to be. A subjective experience.

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    well if you wanna go deeper then we are just processes running on a bio computer that’s our brain and nervous system.

    or if you wanna go deeper we are just a bunch of DNA that wants to replicate and spread.

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      It makes us an ECOSYSTEM!

      We’re not really “human” we”re more like… … a planet.

      or a forest, at least (soil, mycelium, roots, microbes, ferns, shrubs, squirrels, trees, clouds, rain, rivers…)

      (imho)

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        This opinion is beautiful and I will now choose to follow it. It almost makes one feel a kinship with the eyelash mites.

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      Every death is just brain damage. Now that can be either caused by physical trauma or (more commonly) oxygen stops reaching the brain for one reason or another. Oh and I guess sometimes a virus or a tumor invades the brain and eats up most of it.

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        Oh and I guess sometimes a virus or a tumor invades the brain and eats up most of it.

        Rabies being the most common I think

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    I call my blood balloon stick mech The Vessel.

    The Vessel is fucked up, but the spirit piloting the mess is doing great.

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    This is only true if you subscribe to a dualist view of humanity, that is that the body is a separate thing from the mind. But there is also a monist way to look at it, that the body and the mind are one.

    The totality of a human being can’t be separated into body and mind in a practical way. What about the senses which are both a bodily and a psychological function? What about emotions that are definitely felt both in the psyche and in the body? When I am tried I can’t think well, when I am depressed it’s harder to perform a bench press than when I am not depressed.

    We are not just the brain. That’s a reductive way to look at human being. The ancient philosophers knew this, after all, mens sana in corpore sano.

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        Counterpoint

        1. Our present domination global culture is biased to place a higher value on brain vs. body function— see eg someone “declared ‘brain-dead’”… … or in a coma.

        2. People w damaged or missing body parts will say that they no longer feel like themselves

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      Goes more abstract than that. Our being is the unique interconnected pattern we all have of billions of firing neurons. Erase the pattern and you erase the human and make them a blank slate infant again. We are just software.

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        TLDR; We are the entire universe pretending to be an individual.

        I like where you are going with it, but I think it’s more crazy than that. It seems that the idea of self/individual is an illusion. We think of our self’s as just our brain. But we are much more than that. There is an inter connectivity between our brain and the rest of our body that science is now just starting to understand. On top of that, we have everything else outside our body that we need to survive/can influence our health and train of thought.

        As an example, think of all the things you can/can’t control with your body. Heart rate, digestion, fighting off infections, what mood you are in, etc.

        This is where breath work in yoga/meditating comes in. It’s the most obvious example of a physiological process that is involuntary but also voluntary. Focus on that, and you can start blur the boundary between self and other.

        So the question is, “where do “I” end, and where does “everything else” begin”?

        Turns out that there is no solid or non-subjective answer to that.

        It’s almost as if our ideas of “self” are an illusion in order to birth the evolutionary advantageous behavior of being social.

        Anyway…I’m starting to feel the edible… have a great Labor Day!

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        Previously formed neural pathways, epigenetics, nascent research into gut microbiota and cognition. It’s even more abstract and amazing than just software.

        Erase the neuronic pattern and the frame work that led to a big part of what that person was still remains.

        You lose memory, but there’s a very real argument to be made that we’re a trickier stack of firmware, software, and hardware acceleration to keep your analogy.

        The newly minted infant homunculi in this hypothetical total loss of the “pattern” would (given their environment supports enough resources) find themselves becoming something significantly alike what was there before.

        It happens all the time with smaller and not as thorough distractions to that pattern after all.

        That’s my take anyhow.

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        I dunno. Organic space suit implies that the nervous system could survive independently of it. But it can’t.

        You need to get blood to the brain, so you need a heart. That blood needs oxygen so you need lungs. You need some way of getting energy to these systems, so you need a digestive system, which starts at your lips and forms a frighteningly long tunnel that ends at your butt. Now you’re introducing weird shit to your blood beyond just oxygen so you need a few systems to keep the blood clean. Now you’ve got all kinds of different needs and so you have other orgasms to keep those organs alive and functioning. Oh and because your blood is also alive, it dies and you need a way to make more. Quite efficiently this is done in your bones. But for the sake of argument let’s say this is possible without the bones themselves.

        I’d say the space suit starts at the immune system, and ends at the skin, which is really an extension of the immune system but there’s muscle in there. You could, theoretically, survive without any muscle or skin, or even an immune system in a clean environment, as long as you had a way to obtain calories and Oxygen independently. Though going to the bathroom would be hard.

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        both of you PLEASE put a CW warning on that

        not everyone has huge screens so we tap it and then ::vomit::

        CW morbid human nervous system anatomy, decoupled from rest of body

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      both of you PLEASE put a CW warning on that

      not everyone has huge screens so we tap it and then ::vomit::

      CW morbid human nervous system anatomy, decoupled from rest of body

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    But where are you really? Behind your eyes? We become aware of sensations in the body but how can they be above or below us? The sensory data just is, there’s no place we receive it from, it just appears and then disappears. Any label we put on this is just a convenient conceptual overlay that attempts to make sense of it and give it meaning. There is no meaning, only emptiness.

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        Indeed. Sometimes we get injured and don’t notice it. Other times we feel pain and there is no injury. We’re attempting to make sense of experience by applying concepts to what we feel. It’s the reason why chronic pain management using drugs is unsustainable.

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    I mean. The motors are meat to. You would die without your skin but if you did not you could still move technically but the bones won’t do anything on their own.