Lack of cultural integration, homophobia, sexism, racism, religion, lack of local training and development, lack of capital investment, high housing costs, poor housing quality, wage suppression, increasing density of the country, crime, making places less desirable and more crime ridden.

But no one ever wants to talk about anything that isn’t short term averages.

I haven’t got an issue with immigration as a concept or necessarily as an average.

But there is a reason no one complains about first, second, third generation Australians coming to their country not learning the language, not integrating, committing crimes and no treating women right. A lot of people on the left live in outright denial about immigration.

Sure keep the upper class happy by keeping wages down and house prices high. Only costs you money, safety and community.

Immigration is lost in the short term averages at the least. It needs breaking down and calculating out over lifetimes.

But that still doesn’t excuse anybody flushing the rule of law down the toilet.

Did i say it did?

People obviously care note about immigration than that. That’s how high of a priority it is I guess.

I guess this just goes to show what everyone is saying.

The left is shooting themselves in the foot. People care about immigration and the left won’t solve it. So they lose power, that’s democracy in action.

If the left want wants they need to listen to the concerns of the people.

I was thinking about the US lately. Can’t remember why exactly maybe some friends popped up on my Facebook.

But I decided it actually wouldn’t be that bad of a place to live. If it wasn’t for the toxic work culture.

If they worked normal hours and had 20+ holidays it would be alright. Other shit annoy me and you would have to make sure you live in the nice areas but I could live there and enjoy it. But the work culture is an absolute no go. Wish they were like the Aussie. Show up do hard day of work fuck off for some beers. If the surfs good call in sick and end up seeing your boss in the line up. Work hard for a few months then decide fuck it and go to Bali for a weekend accidentally stay there for two months then decide you need to go back to work because travelling is too much effort walk into a job 1 week after landing home.

For the data I asked for or for the misleading data I mentioned?

You don’t seem to understand my point even remotely. So the conversation is done.

I’m not going through your data dump. You just gisp galloping

Asylum is abused. We are talking economic immigrants here.

We need a data driven decision. Not listening to you who “know” things based on feels.

It’s white nativism, which is a form of racism, whether you are aware or not

See you full of shit because I’m not. The issues with people from Hong Kong, or Japan or the pacific or actual asylum countries crossing their nearest board to get away rather than get to like Ukraine is fine. Even places like Nigeria show much better stats than others. Though total numbers are also important (with the exception of actual issues like Ukraine)

I would love data driven info. That’s what the people want. But also things like culture are exceptionally important to people more so than even money and people should get a vote on it rather being told to accept people that hate homosexuals or treat women like second class citizens just so the ruling class can make more money from houses and cheap wages. You come to a country the least you can do is act like a member of that country.

I hope the left pull their head out of their arse and sort this shit out before some with more balls does.

Wow being against uncontrolled immigration is so Nazi.

Literally no other person could think immigration should go down for any reason or any amount without being a Nazi.

I’m really glad you showed me a photo of someone concerned with immigration when it’s the number one issue in the country. Really proved that, that guy is a Nazi.

I do think he’s a dickhead. But Nazis and reform are different.

You just dropped a load of shit without explaining it.

But glancing at it it looks EXACTLY like the point I was making.

Generals and averages I agree immigration can be made to look good. When you go into the details things change. Where does it look at country of origin? Where does it show contributions over life rather than just prime age? Where do you see intergenerational affects? Where does it talk about training instead of filling gaps with foreigners ? Where does it talk about all these effects of different earning percentiles of the population?

When every people go into that level of details things look different.

Plus it doesn’t all come down to money

The average person wants lower immigration plain and simple.

That’s what reform is largely winning votes on. Something that historically has been a left view.

They are no where near as bad as everyone makes out. People are trying to paint them as Nazis.

How many new houses are built by immigrants and how many immigrants are there?

They could built all the houses but absolute numbers matter not percentages.

Its about not voting for the tories. More than it is anything else.

Now there are more right options that will swing back. Hence how it is out of date.

14% of the vote from a brand new party, with signs that’s increasing. It not insignificant

Do you know something about the UK I don’t?

Please tell me about how the Tories link into this graph?

This is out of date.

People are losing faith rapidly in the left because they don’t seem to be for the everyday working class Briton like they used to be.

There is a big shift going to Reform now largely because they want to reduce immigration. The left deny the situation and the right have claimed they will reduce it every year then increase.

People are flooding to the “far right”* because they don’t seen the main parties address the main issue they want addressing and have been talking about for decades at this point, generations even.

_* not actually far right. But the left love throwing that term around to anyone that has a different opinion to them. They just want lower immigration, which historically has been a left leaning ideology

So how many people want to live in Manhattan? Bringing in more people will solve the housing issue?

More job programs are the answer to that, not restricting immigration.

Well we can agree on half of that.

Immigrants across the board improve the economy and put more into welfare than they take out. So no, they are not a drain on the economy in any respect.

This is the crux of it. This is the big lie here that is never backed up.

Break down immigration by country of origin, education, even income. Look at the results on lower classes and up classes, look at the affect on housing and jobs. It will not be an improvement across the board for all those things.

But I would love, love, love to see that data. But whenever it is shown it never shows what you claim it does.

Because it isn’t crime either. Immigrants are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens.

For every group?

Overall I 100% agree with you. That’s what I would expect.

No. That’s poor maths, you’re comparing two entirely different things. This is why so so so many of the arguments and facts about immigration are in poor faith. People massively oversimplify.

Locals primarily.

Where do immigrants live in trees?

Oh course its going to increase any housing shortage.

There is a lot of problems with immigration. Immigration as a whole is different to certain immigration. If you break it down certain countries, certain jobs and certain education levels can cause a net drain on a country.

That’s not to say all immigration is bad. But to think all immigration under any circumstance is good is just a signs of being brainwashed by their side and refusing to look at anything that goes against their view.